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Wesley
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Posted: Tue Aug 26th, 2008 10:56 pm |
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David wrote: Wesley wrote: Guys,
We are Not Meant to "Assume" (Ass U Me)? from "The Manual", Or Any Other Database.?
We Have To "Look at Vehicle Presented"! At The "Time of Test"?
Is The Engine Number, Clearly Visible? If Not, Then, First Question to Presenter, Is, "Is the Original Engine Fitted"?
"Yes" or "No"?
If "Yes", "It Is the Original Engine Fitted", and Engine Number is "Not" "Clearly Visible" Answer= "No"! Then, Go to "Others"
If "No" A Different Engine Is Fitted, Then, Ask Presenter, Original Date Of Manufacture. Then, If Presenter is Unsure? "Unidentified date of Manufacture"! "Refer to Manual".
At All Times,"CYA"? (Cover Your Ass)?
Regards, Wes.
In my life time of experience working with both the motor trade and the customers who present their vehicles for mot testing, nobody has ever had a letter from a manufacturer to advise of a different age group of engine fitted to a vehicle, if the customer understood the idea behind an older engine fitted to a newer model to get it through the mot test, they would tell a tester it is an older engine anyway.
As I have said before the testers manual is a guide to the correct standards to be applied, this is not to say anybody is not already doing this practice, but if the testers do take note of its contents, and I know some don't by reading the questions being asked on here, then refering to section (7.3) and using the flow charts, the right emission test will be conducted each and every time, no need for gossip or public banter, the job will be right.
David
David
apart from You, who would expect a letter from manufactures? probably No one
what about a 1999 VW Golf, fitted with a 1991 G60 motor?
what about all the "Kit Cars" that have "SVA" Certification?
Well?
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Posted: Mon Aug 25th, 2008 03:42 pm |
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Wesley wrote: Guys,
We are Not Meant to "Assume" (Ass U Me)? from "The Manual", Or Any Other Database.?
We Have To "Look at Vehicle Presented"! At The "Time of Test"?
Is The Engine Number, Clearly Visible? If Not, Then, First Question to Presenter, Is, "Is the Original Engine Fitted"?
"Yes" or "No"?
If "Yes", "It Is the Original Engine Fitted", and Engine Number is "Not" "Clearly Visible" Answer= "No"! Then, Go to "Others"
If "No" A Different Engine Is Fitted, Then, Ask Presenter, Original Date Of Manufacture. Then, If Presenter is Unsure? "Unidentified date of Manufacture"! "Refer to Manual".
At All Times,"CYA"? (Cover Your Ass)?
Regards, Wes.
In my life time of experience working with both the motor trade and the customers who present their vehicles for mot testing, nobody has ever had a letter from a manufacturer to advise of a different age group of engine fitted to a vehicle, if the customer understood the idea behind an older engine fitted to a newer model to get it through the mot test, they would tell a tester it is an older engine anyway.
As I have said before the testers manual is a guide to the correct standards to be applied, this is not to say anybody is not already doing this practice, but if the testers do take note of its contents, and I know some don't by reading the questions being asked on here, then refering to section (7.3) and using the flow charts, the right emission test will be conducted each and every time, no need for gossip or public banter, the job will be right.
David
David
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Wesley
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Posted: Mon Aug 25th, 2008 01:24 am |
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Guys,
We are Not Meant to "Assume" (Ass U Me)? from "The Manual", Or Any Other Database.?
We Have To "Look at Vehicle Presented"! At The "Time of Test"?
Is The Engine Number, Clearly Visible? If Not, Then, First Question to Presenter, Is, "Is the Original Engine Fitted"?
"Yes" or "No"?
If "Yes", "It Is the Original Engine Fitted", and Engine Number is "Not" "Clearly Visible" Answer= "No"! Then, Go to "Others"
If "No" A Different Engine Is Fitted, Then, Ask Presenter, Original Date Of Manufacture. Then, If Presenter is Unsure? "Unidentified date of Manufacture"! "Refer to Manual".
At All Times,"CYA"? (Cover Your Ass)?
Regards, Wes.
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Posted: Sun Aug 24th, 2008 01:55 pm |
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A page from the manual:
http://www.vosa.gov.uk/vosacorp/repository/7.3%20Emmissions%20-%20Spark%20Ignition%20-%20Passenger%20Cars%201992-2002.pdf
http://www.vosa.gov.uk/vosacorp/specialnotice04-04inspectionmanualupdates.htm
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David
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Posted: Sat Aug 23rd, 2008 09:25 pm |
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Don't forget the hydrocarbons, these must be equal to or less than 1200ppm, if not a tester can raise engine speed to around 2000RPM and recheck, if equal to or below 1200, its a pass and advise, as its runnning prity poor
David
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Posted: Fri Aug 22nd, 2008 08:55 pm |
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if you check the manual there is a section that says if you cannot find it in the database or there is no cat fitted then go for the no cat test ie just whack the probe in and check idle emmisions which are supposed to be less than 3.5%
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Posted: Fri Aug 22nd, 2008 07:33 pm |
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cool, thanks for your help, i will go back and find out, (as the car is still in for other repairs).
been doing the job for 10 years and still learn new things every day, iv never come across this before thats why i asked
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Posted: Fri Aug 22nd, 2008 02:50 pm |
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anno hunt wrote: yep all there in the menu, engine code the lot. that is what is puzzling me  .
this car should have a cat but it dont!
Hi Anno - did you actually look for the engine code on the block, and/or use the VIN numbers as described in the Emissions data book, or did you just take a match off the analyser database.
For K, L & M reg cars you MUST find a FULL match on the actual engine codes, and model type etc from the engine block or VIN as described in the Emissions data book, otherwise it's a NON CAT test.
Cars registered 'N' - 01/08/1995 onwards MUST have a cat test, K,L & M only get a cat test if there's an exact match of the engine and model against the Data book.
Methinks you've applied the wrong standards - refer to the flow chart in the Testers Manual, AND the data book.
Last edited on Fri Aug 22nd, 2008 02:54 pm by Stealth
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Posted: Fri Aug 22nd, 2008 02:29 pm |
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| there were quite a few pre facelift cavaliers registered in 1992/k that still had the carburettor engines fitted , 1.6 ,16SV & 1.8 ,18SV were the main ones.
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Wesley
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Posted: Thu Aug 21st, 2008 11:58 pm |
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| What about Engine Code on "The Vehicle"? And Not " In the Book" or in "the menu" Is it present? Is it Readable? What about reading the SN`s? concerning emissions? pre 1995? Last edited on Fri Aug 22nd, 2008 12:06 am by Wesley
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Posted: Thu Aug 21st, 2008 11:11 pm |
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yep all there in the menu, engine code the lot. that is what is puzzling me .
this car should have a cat but it dont!
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Wesley
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Posted: Thu Aug 21st, 2008 10:25 pm |
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| did you find an engine id number? If not choose others in the menu.
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Posted: Thu Aug 21st, 2008 09:52 pm |
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Ok, today at my station i had a vauxhall cavalier mk3, the reg date was 19/9/1992.
Went to do a cat test, and it failed on co,hc and lambda, carried on with the test to find it had no cat fitted, no lambda sensor, it's like it has never had one ever.
Note the book states that any class 4 car registerd on or after the 1/8/1992 must pass a cat test. so what do you do? the car has not got one fitted!
Last edited on Thu Aug 21st, 2008 11:09 pm by anno hunt
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