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keithd
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Posted: Fri Jul 4th, 2008 10:35 pm |
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Weetabix wrote:
What if the car was parked, the driver had left the vehicle to nip to a cashpoint, leaving his wife & kids in the car, taking his ignition keys with him. A van parked in front of them began to reverse towards them & was getting too close for comfort...
...Shouldn't the horn be able to be expected to function in this instance ?
That is my thoughts too, I've been in this situation in Tesco's car park sitting waiting for the misses when a twat reverses and if it wasn't for the horn would have hit me. But hey come on we're talking common sense now and we know thats not used these days is it 
As for MOT part of it well it's pretty clear as to whats required, it just has to beep 
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Posted: Fri Jul 4th, 2008 10:23 pm |
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David wrote: Hi somebody in VOSA is getting confused here understanding the regulations, this is another case were they are not clear.
The correct use of a horn is;
The horn. Use only while your vehicle is moving and you need to warn other road users of your presence. Never sound your horn aggressively. You MUST NOT use your horn
- while stationary on the road
- when driving in a built-up area between the hours of 11.30 pm and 7.00 am
except when another road user poses a danger
So why does it matter whether the ignition is on or off so long as it works, did all manufacturers create vehicle electrical systems to run everything through the ignition switch to overload it, i don't think so.
It should be passed, if VOSA say otherwise they are wrong and don't understand the regulation, and it woudn't be the first time either.
Cheers
David
The 'except when another road user poses a danger' does throw the spanner in the works a little:
What if the car was parked, the driver had left the vehicle to nip to a cashpoint, leaving his wife & kids in the car, taking his ignition keys with him. A van parked in front of them began to reverse towards them & was getting too close for comfort...
...Shouldn't the horn be able to be expected to function in this instance ?
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RFR
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Posted: Fri Jul 4th, 2008 09:30 pm |
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 Hi David,
Trust you to come up with the facts!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The horn. Use only while your vehicle is moving and you need to warn other road users of your presence. Never sound your horn aggressively. You MUST NOT use your horn
- while stationary on the road
- when driving in a built-up area between the hours of 11.30 pm and 7.00 am
If this is true then why can we not have two tone horns, one for !!!t I'm going to run you over and a SOFTER one for (mind out dear "YOUR IN MY WAY"). My question for the regs is, I only use the horn when the !!!!! hitting the fan, how can I not do it aggressively, is there some way of switching it on, so that in such a case it is soft and caring so as not to upset or disturb anyone
RFR
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Posted: Fri Jul 4th, 2008 08:06 pm |
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Hi somebody in VOSA is getting confused here understanding the regulations, this is another case were they are not clear.
The correct use of a horn is;
The horn. Use only while your vehicle is moving and you need to warn other road users of your presence. Never sound your horn aggressively. You MUST NOT use your horn
- while stationary on the road
- when driving in a built-up area between the hours of 11.30 pm and 7.00 am
except when another road user poses a danger
So why does it matter whether the ignition is on or off so long as it works, did all manufacturers create vehicle electrical systems to run everything through the ignition switch to overload it, i don't think so.
It should be passed, if VOSA say otherwise they are wrong and don't understand the regulation, and it woudn't be the first time either.
Cheers
David
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Posted: Fri Jul 4th, 2008 08:03 pm |
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Ridiculous!!No wonder we all get a bad name.. .Wonder why he passed the wipers?ffs.
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Posted: Fri Jul 4th, 2008 05:27 pm |
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 I agree. Just phoned VOSA again and got a different response! On the plus side, I got the MOT guy to agree to phone VOSA tomorrow to get it from the horses mouth.
Thanks for all your help, I'll keep you posted.
A
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Posted: Fri Jul 4th, 2008 05:23 pm |
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Angriff wrote: Just phoned VOSA, they say there is no specific mention of whether the ingnition should be on or off, so therefore it should work in both states, so the fail is correct. They did say that they could not get hold of thier standards department for confirmation.
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The only failure in that respect for horn is "does not function " .
the horn does function with the ignition on , so it is a pass .
tell the tester to use common sense , how exactly would someone be driving down the road & need to use the horn with the ignition off ?
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Posted: Fri Jul 4th, 2008 04:15 pm |
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Just phoned VOSA, they say there is no specific mention of whether the ingnition should be on or off, so therefore it should work in both states, so the fail is correct. They did say that they could not get hold of thier standards department for confirmation.
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Posted: Fri Jul 4th, 2008 04:10 pm |
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National Number
0870 6060440
Opening hours 7.30 am to 6.00 pm Monday to Friday and 7.30 am to 3.00 pm on Saturdays. Closed Sundays.
For information and advice on any of VOSA's schemes including: quick access to lorry/bus test booking; MOT test standards information; how to proceed to appeal against either the issue of or refusal to issue an MOT certificate; ordering publications; reporting of smoky vehicles; or confidential information for our intelligence officers; and, any other enquiries.
There you go
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Posted: Fri Jul 4th, 2008 04:04 pm |
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Thank you for the swift response. I have been back to him once already, and he is insistent. I'll give the VOSA helpline a go next, what is the number (can't see it on the VOSA site).
Cheers
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Posted: Fri Jul 4th, 2008 03:39 pm |
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There is no requirement for the horn to work with the ignition switched off.
There's no specific instructions in the manual stating that the horn should be tested with the ignition off, just as there is no requirements for a number of other systems such as headlamps, indicators, fog lamp etc to work with the ignition off.
Where there is a requirement for items to be checked with the ignition off, the 'Method of Inspection' states this - as in hazard warning lamps, the manual clearly states 'with the ignition switched both on and off'
As long as it works with the ignition on as you have described it's a pass. Go back to your tester and ask him to ring the VOSA helpline while you are there to confirm it.
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Posted: Fri Jul 4th, 2008 03:01 pm |
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Just had my 1988 Golf MOT'd. Failed on the horn not working with the ignition off. Works fine with ignition on. Had the car for four years, not had this problem before. Can anyone help clarify what the regulations are please? Can you quote relavent passage in regulations so I can go back to my tester.
Thank you
A
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