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Wesley
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Posted: Fri Jul 18th, 2008 11:32 pm |
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RFR wrote:
What did he say about Items not tested?
Hi RFR, not mentioned, and not challenged by anyone including myself, doh.
I did ask about PRS test results counting as two initial tests, and He didn`t really have an answer, Only on the second day He said that the test No`s on the pass and fail were different.
Pre Checks are very Important, take only afew minutes and can be done by your assistant if neccessary, thus reducing the need to Abort Test.
Abandon Test, is normally used for equipment failures or sudden illness of tester, Sorry, Have to Abandon and "Trot" Now! Laters
Wes.
Last edited on Fri Jul 18th, 2008 11:44 pm by Wesley
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RFR
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Posted: Fri Jul 18th, 2008 09:35 pm |
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Wesley wrote: RFR wrote: Been here before on this one "Items not tested". Been told for VE use only, with what we are talking about test should be abandoned.
RFR
RFR,
Works every time, lol. If dip beam inoperative, how do you test the Headlamp Aim? How do you record that you haven`t tested it? "Crystal Ball"? CYA!
Guys,
Seems to Me, If the test centre came to the conclusion that smoke emission was indeed excessive, and didn`t even attempt test? Then Should this not have been a refusal to test?
Wes.
Hi Wes,
moving the goal posts now, we were taking about emissions, but H/lamp aim easy, as stated "aim check required" when entering rfr, and away to go, as it was not working you could not test it, and on retest you would check the aim for what ever has been carried out to repair it, you would be looking at aim as it may have been affected by that repair.
No Crystal Ball required, not worrying about buttocks, just applying the system. No need for item not tested.
With you on the smoke, but if noticed after pre check then abandon.
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RFR
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Posted: Fri Jul 18th, 2008 09:07 pm |
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Wesley wrote: big..E. wrote: If its for VE use only why do we have access to it?.Ihave not been "told" this by anyone ..I will be askin the question tomorrow morning though,don't want to be doin something i should not...... Cheers big..E.
I`m With You on this one big..E, We are always advised to CYA,
Did You know, You don`t have to keep VT40`s for Three Months, Only the Emissions Paperwork!
Yeah, Mr VOSA man said so on refresher. lol. But to CYA, We always do.
Wes.
What did he say about Items not tested?
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kev1975
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Posted: Fri Jul 18th, 2008 07:37 pm |
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I never watched him do the test , my AE did , the problem was that the car in question was a rover 25 & the beam kick up on these headlights is never that clear at the best of times .
top & bottom of the matter is that he showed me the error of my ways
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Posted: Fri Jul 18th, 2008 07:03 pm |
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Did he show you in the beam tester?
Did you watch him do the test?
Beam testers can't speak for all but some like ours is not that accurate, I pointed this out to a VE at ours last visit, he didn't seem that bothered, I suppose it depends a lot on how old/young the VE is?
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Posted: Fri Jul 18th, 2008 06:59 pm |
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As a sympathetic presenter, I've wondered about this a few times - what would be the score for the test station if VOSA turned up for a spot retest on my vehicle (I'm generally present for the test) and I told them, as the vehicle owner, to take a hike? I know they could hound me using the semi-permanent check-point just up the road, but would there be any comeback on the station / tester?
You have that right, they cannot force you to permit them to re examine the vehicle, but they may request an inspection within a forteen day period, or they may look at another recently tested vehicle.
David
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kev1975
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Posted: Fri Jul 18th, 2008 05:25 pm |
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Wesley wrote: kev1975 wrote: we always keep all of them archived for about a year or so , vt40 & emissions.
Us as well, but when Mr VE comes in like a Bull at a Gate, don`t You think that we may have to remind Him? Or Challenge Him?
That He has No Legal right to enter a vehicle Without someones permission? At least "The Testers", Whose custody the vehicle is in for the duration of The Test?
I recently had a visit from the local VE , he went outside & got a car i had just tested , he then tested it & said that the offside headlamp aim was slightly off to the left.
he then told my AE that he has given me 5 points for my mistake
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Posted: Fri Jul 18th, 2008 11:24 am |
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Wesley wrote:
Us as well, but when Mr VE comes in like a Bull at a Gate, don`t You think that we may have to remind Him? Or Challenge Him?
That He has No Legal right to enter a vehicle Without someones permission? At least "The Testers", Whose custody the vehicle is in for the duration of The Test?
As a sympathetic presenter, I've wondered about this a few times - what would be the score for the test station if VOSA turned up for a spot retest on my vehicle (I'm generally present for the test) and I told them, as the vehicle owner, to take a hike? I know they could hound me using the semi-permanent check-point just up the road, but would there be any comeback on the station / tester?
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Wesley
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Posted: Fri Jul 18th, 2008 12:02 am |
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kev1975 wrote: we always keep all of them archived for about a year or so , vt40 & emissions.
Us as well, but when Mr VE comes in like a Bull at a Gate, don`t You think that we may have to remind Him? Or Challenge Him?
That He has No Legal right to enter a vehicle Without someones permission? At least "The Testers", Whose custody the vehicle is in for the duration of The Test?
Last edited on Fri Jul 18th, 2008 12:11 am by Wesley
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kev1975
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Posted: Thu Jul 17th, 2008 11:53 pm |
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| we always keep all of them archived for about a year or so , vt40 & emissions.
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Wesley
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Posted: Thu Jul 17th, 2008 11:50 pm |
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big..E. wrote: If its for VE use only why do we have access to it?.Ihave not been "told" this by anyone..I will be askin the question tomorrow morning though,don't want to be doin something i should not...... Cheers big..E.
I`m With You on this one big..E, We are always advised to CYA,
Did You know, You don`t have to keep VT40`s for Three Months, Only the Emissions Paperwork!
Yeah, Mr VOSA man said so on refresher. lol. But to CYA, We always do.
Wes.
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kev1975
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Posted: Thu Jul 17th, 2008 11:48 pm |
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Wesley wrote: RFR wrote: Been here before on this one "Items not tested". Been told for VE use only, with what we are talking about test should be abandoned.
RFR
RFR,
Works every time, lol. If dip beam inoperative, how do you test the Headlamp Aim? How do you record that you haven`t tested it? "Crystal Ball"? CYA!
Guys,
Seems to Me, If the test centre came to the conclusion that smoke emission was indeed excessive, and didn`t even attempt test? Then Should this not have been a refusal to test?
Wes.
the way i deal with headlamp aim not tested is when i go to headlamp defects & the option is of requiring or not requiring an aim check on retest.
so if dipped beam is not working then it would be under the options of requiring an aim check on retest.
not that any of us testers would retest the light without re checking the aim anyway .
with regards to the smoke , i agree with you , either test it (including emissions ) or refuse to test it .
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Wesley
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Posted: Thu Jul 17th, 2008 11:40 pm |
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robmp wrote: Hi,
Just had my VW GOLF 1.8 T (Petrol) fail it's MOT due to emissions.
MOT centre didn't even attempt the tests as said there was smoke coming from the exhaust.
I was aware there was a bit of smoke coming from exhaust on start up - local garage think the Turbo may be on it's way out.
Have just spoken to local garage (different from MOT centre) and they say that smoke on a petrol car is only an issue if it is sufficient to obscure vision of other drivers, it's definately not that bad!.
Anyone had any experience of this?
Cheers
ROB
If Your Vehicle fills the test bay with excessive smoke, then what are they, The Test Station to do?
Sorry, Luckily Not Presented to Us.
Last edited on Thu Jul 17th, 2008 11:41 pm by Wesley
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Wesley
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Posted: Thu Jul 17th, 2008 11:33 pm |
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RFR wrote: Been here before on this one "Items not tested". Been told for VE use only, with what we are talking about test should be abandoned.
RFR
RFR,
Works every time, lol. If dip beam inoperative, how do you test the Headlamp Aim? How do you record that you haven`t tested it? "Crystal Ball"? CYA!
Guys,
Seems to Me, If the test centre came to the conclusion that smoke emission was indeed excessive, and didn`t even attempt test? Then Should this not have been a refusal to test?
Wes.
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Posted: Thu Jul 17th, 2008 10:41 pm |
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| If its for VE use only why do we have access to it?.Ihave not been "told" this by anyone..I will be askin the question tomorrow morning though,don't want to be doin something i should not...... Cheers big..E.
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RFR
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Posted: Thu Jul 17th, 2008 10:35 pm |
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Been here before on this one "Items not tested". Been told for VE use only, with what we are talking about test should be abandoned.
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Posted: Thu Jul 17th, 2008 10:32 pm |
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| ITEMS NOT TESTED..I have used this option,but only where a situation arises during the test ie,vehicle boiled up etc..
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Posted: Thu Jul 17th, 2008 10:16 pm |
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I suppose that if the vehicle emitted substantial avoidable levels of smoke one could refuse to test it, but I have heard that some test stations refuse to test just the emissions if they think it could upset their machine.
There is also a facility on computerisation, NOT TESTED, I have not used it and wonder if there are any special reasons for it, or is it at the discretion of the tester, maybe not?
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Posted: Thu Jul 17th, 2008 09:44 pm |
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David,I agree with your last statement..robmp stated that the:
" MOT centre didn't even attempt the tests as said there was smoke coming from the exhaust"....
No mention of "Exessive smoke"...Or for that matter a colour issue...
It does make me wonder though "didn't even attempt the tests"..? Would this be refused to test full stop,or just not carrying out an emission test?...
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Posted: Thu Jul 17th, 2008 06:37 pm |
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Unfortunately your Gas Analyser will not measure visual smoke emission?
Read Regulation (7.3A.1c) which advises the tester to rapidly increase the engine speed around 2500RPM and assess the smoke from the tail pipe.
RFR (7.3A.1c) says emits excessive dense blue or clearly visible black smoke during acceleration which would obscure the view of the road for other road users.
I am pritty sure before a tester fails for excessive smoke emission, that it would have to be pritty bad?
David
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