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kev1975
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Posted: Sun Aug 24th, 2008 06:58 pm |
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nicknak wrote: Quite a number of theses type of vans have assisters fitted by the coachbuilder as part of the conversion as the van (when complete) is normally running quite close to its max when empty leaving 5- 600 kg for food and belongings.
sounds good enough to me , we get quite a few of these in at work as we do some mot's for a motorhome dealer .
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nicknak
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Posted: Sun Aug 24th, 2008 12:40 pm |
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Quite a number of theses type of vans have assisters fitted by the coachbuilder as part of the conversion as the van (when complete) is normally running quite close to its max when empty leaving 5- 600 kg for food and belongings.
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Wesley
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Posted: Thu Aug 21st, 2008 11:21 pm |
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paddyg wrote: thanks very much for the advice lads.today i contacted peugeot for their advice on the matter and their mot tester for the aberdeen branch told me that he has had a lot of experience with motorhomes on the peugeot chassis cab and that in his veiw that if the leaf spring is not visibly broken and the shockers are not leaking or the roadwheels are not making contact with the bodywork, then the suspension would be a pass.
he suggested that i take the van to a vosa station which luckily was less than 400 yards away.i spoke to the manager there and he gave me a copy of section (2.4.a.1)of the manual and even phoned the tester involved to inform her of her mistake.
so all in all i am happy with this result on what seems to be a pretty grey area but could come in handy for others in the same situation that i was.
after all replacing perfectly good leaf springs for this reason seems to be a pointless and expensive exercise.
Glad you have had a good result. please don`t knock "the girlies" we have some up on the moors in our County that are "the dogs" class V11.
It really comes down to Experience, and some "new maids" in the County learning their trade. which is exactly the as same as the guys.
Wes.
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paddyg
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Posted: Thu Aug 21st, 2008 03:19 pm |
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thanks very much for the advice lads.today i contacted peugeot for their advice on the matter and their mot tester for the aberdeen branch told me that he has had a lot of experience with motorhomes on the peugeot chassis cab and that in his veiw that if the leaf spring is not visibly broken and the shockers are not leaking or the roadwheels are not making contact with the bodywork, then the suspension would be a pass.
he suggested that i take the van to a vosa station which luckily was less than 400 yards away.i spoke to the manager there and he gave me a copy of section (2.4.a.1)of the manual and even phoned the tester involved to inform her of her mistake.
so all in all i am happy with this result on what seems to be a pretty grey area but could come in handy for others in the same situation that i was.
after all replacing perfectly good leaf springs for this reason seems to be a pointless and expensive exercise.
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Wesley
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Posted: Thu Aug 21st, 2008 12:00 am |
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big..E. wrote: Ref to the original post...The Tester FAILED the presented vehicle for "no clearance between the rear axle and the bumpstops"....If the "bumpstop/spring assistor is "MOUNTED" to the axle then "clearance" will not be possible..(obviously)...
I think the tester is a little unsure (maybe) of the suspension set up..The Tester may only be a class IV tester,when "Presented" with a vehicle (of which size) he is not used to then he may misjudge certain setups...Lets face it lads,how many "Motorhomes" do you see per annum?? and how much in size can they differ ??..
Personally I would (as wes said) contact the Builders for confirmation..Good for customer relationship too....
How many different types of vehicle are presented with some type of fluid or air suspension Assistance?
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big..E.
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Posted: Wed Aug 20th, 2008 10:18 pm |
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Ref to the original post...The Tester FAILED the presented vehicle for "no clearance between the rear axle and the bumpstops"....If the "bumpstop/spring assistor is "MOUNTED" to the axle then "clearance" will not be possible..(obviously)...
I think the tester is a little unsure (maybe) of the suspension set up..The Tester may only be a class IV tester,when "Presented" with a vehicle (of which size) he is not used to then he may misjudge certain setups...Lets face it lads,how many "Motorhomes" do you see per annum?? and how much in size can they differ ??..
Personally I would (as wes said) contact the Builders for confirmation..Good for customer relationship too....
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Wesley
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Posted: Wed Aug 20th, 2008 09:51 pm |
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from the description they sound like sping assistors to me,
used on many motorhomes if they are that dimension visually when presented then I normally issue a pass.
phone the coachbuilder and obtain a letter of conformation.
regards, Wes.
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David
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Posted: Wed Aug 20th, 2008 09:50 pm |
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I think a letter from the manufacturer or main dealer to clearly show their type of function would be best practice. As Johnboy said its difficult to establish without seeing the evidence, may be take a good picture and post it on here for us to look at.
P.S. Are the road wheels tyres fouling any part of the bodywork when in the normal loaded condition, if they are the vehicle would definately fail the test, if not and a suspected weak suspension is presented, it possibly would be more reasonable to pass and advise it.
David
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Johnboy
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Posted: Wed Aug 20th, 2008 09:27 pm |
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I understand where you're coming from, but can't picture it in my head.
If you are sure they are not bumpstops, try to find some sort of written proof (as already mentioned). Motorhomes normally have loads of wheel clearance, so you're probably correct.
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paddyg
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Posted: Wed Aug 20th, 2008 08:46 pm |
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thanks for the advice mate,but the thing is about these (bumpstops) is that they are approx 140mm wide and 220mm deep which bear on the centre of the leaf spring at the centre of the axle onto a plate made for them to rest on and are a solid rubber (cone) something like the suspension on the old minis, or in other words just like a part of the suspension rather than something to stop the wheel from making contact with the bodywork. which in this case still has at least 9 inches of clearanc with the cone seated on the leaf spring
hope this explains things better
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Johnboy
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Posted: Wed Aug 20th, 2008 08:24 pm |
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The tester is correct to fail the vehicle for inadequate clearance of bump stop. Are you sure that it has always been this way. Could it be that the springs have sagged over time, or extra kit has been added to the vehicle, resulting in the clearance being reduced. If the alleged 'bump stops' are indeed spring assisters, maybe written proof e.g. vehicle manual etc, will convince the tester to change his/her mind.
If a bumpstop is missing, it will not fail the mot test.
So one way around it, is to remove them, then refit after the test. I realise this is unnessasary work, but it is an option if all else fails.
Good luck
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paddyg
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Posted: Wed Aug 20th, 2008 06:30 pm |
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Dear sir i wonder if you can help me with the benefit of your experience or that of your members.I own a 1996 elddis autoquest 350d on a peugeot boxer chassis, and i recently submitted it for an mot test which it failed in the words of the examiner because there is no clearance between the rear axle and the bumpstops.Iprotested that there has never been any clearance in the six years that i have owned the van and it has always passed the mot test in that condition. i also pointed out that these are not (bumpstops) but a solid rubber spring assister which in the normal condition of a motorhome,make contact with the axle,but to no avail.
would you please throw any light on this subject if possible.
yours sincereley.
thank you.
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