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kev1975
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Posted: Mon Sep 8th, 2008 05:46 pm |
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jonnyjohnson wrote: The advisories that are issued highlight the fact that you as an examiner have noticed and recorded an item that is not necessarily a defect that would cause failure, is that correct?
To get over the wheel and wheel nut problem should perhaps vehicles be presented without wheel trims attached?
they would be if i had my way 
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jonnyjohnson
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Posted: Mon Sep 8th, 2008 04:46 pm |
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The advisories that are issued highlight the fact that you as an examiner have noticed and recorded an item that is not necessarily a defect that would cause failure, is that correct?
To get over the wheel and wheel nut problem should perhaps vehicles be presented without wheel trims attached?
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Webbo1989
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Posted: Mon Sep 8th, 2008 06:08 am |
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Wesley
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Posted: Mon Sep 8th, 2008 12:13 am |
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Webbo1989 wrote: yes it does get to me that not only do we issue the advisory for our own sake to cover ouselves but it is also a very useful document as we not always are seeing the owner of the car/van and it makes sure the message gets back to them - someting should be done to raise it's awareness.
Advisories, there is a small white box on the VT20 that does this automatically.
As for the "Trade Presenter", Take No notice of Him! You Don`t need Him if that is the case, He will soon move on, and try It on elsewhere.
Always "CYA" and Issue as many Advisories as You seem necessary.
It`s Your own Integrity, and Discression, that Will Keep Your Job!
regards, Wes.
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Webbo1989
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Posted: Sun Sep 7th, 2008 05:45 pm |
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| yes it does get to me that not only do we issue the advisory for our own sake to cover ouselves but it is also a very useful document as we not always are seeing the owner of the car/van and it makes sure the message gets back to them - someting should be done to raise it's awareness.
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kev1975
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Posted: Sun Sep 7th, 2008 10:26 am |
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Webbo1989 wrote: lost count the number of times a presenter (usually trade) trys to get me to change my mind on rotten brake pipes because they dont want to change them.
Also how many trade customers pass on the advisory notices to the customer - this should be highlighted to the general public to look at the box on the VT20 to check if there is one.
A couple of our trade customers used to try & get me to change my mind on things as well , they have now given up as they know it won't happen .
They also usually chuck the advisory list in our bin !!! cheek of it .
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Webbo1989
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Posted: Sun Sep 7th, 2008 08:39 am |
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lost count the number of times a presenter (usually trade) trys to get me to change my mind on rotten brake pipes because they dont want to change them.
Also how many trade customers pass on the advisory notices to the customer - this should be highlighted to the general public to look at the box on the VT20 to check if there is one.
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KevG
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Posted: Sat Sep 6th, 2008 10:12 pm |
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Well Put David!
Nice pictures weetabix
Kev
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Posted: Sat Sep 6th, 2008 10:03 pm |
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This is the result of a wheel with 2 wheel nuts missing:
This is a wheel that was driven with loose nuts:
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David
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Posted: Sat Sep 6th, 2008 09:35 pm |
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jonnyjohnson wrote: How do number plates effect the saftey of any vehicle?
My vehicle is 3 years old, and I have 2 dipped headlamps and main beam did not work am I correct in thinking that this is just an advisory note?
Under my wheel trims I only have 2 wheel nuts securing the road wheel (instead of 4), is this acceptable?
Number plates are only used to identify the registered owner of the vehicle, they are not safety related items, or we would have to ask are number plate lamps safety related?
If the vehicle presented for an mot test has front and rear position lamps fitted, then all other lamps must be fitted and working. If all lamps are masked out or not fitted then the vehicle can only be driven in daylight hours, and not during times of serious poor visibility, or night time. Any lamps not working are always better working to the required standards, your main beam lamps would fail.
The wheel nuts missing, we have been here before, nobody in their right mind drives a vehicle with wheel nuts missing deliberately, the mot test is specific about removal of items by saying "no" dismantling during a test were tools are required, therefore it is up to each individual tester as to whether the wheel trims are removed or not,however, if the wheels become loose shortly after testing when left the station, its not the tester involved in the accident if one occurs.
It may be better fellow testers were it is possible to remove the trims and check, that we should check, to my mind it appears that some people will try to drive unsafely may be deliberate.
David
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Stealth
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Posted: Sat Sep 6th, 2008 07:15 pm |
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jonnyjohnson wrote:
Under my wheel trims I only have 2 wheel nuts securing the road wheel (instead of 4), is this acceptable?
2 wheel nuts ?? 
Have you ever seen the devastation when a wheel comes off on the motorway, I have & it's not a pretty sight
NOT ACCEPTABLE !!!!!
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KevG
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Posted: Sat Sep 6th, 2008 06:25 pm |
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We dont make the rules up I'm Afraid we just do as we are told.
1. Dont know
2, Its a fail.
3, You need the right amount of wheel nuts. very safety related. I would not drive on the road in that condition. NOT ACCPTPABLE.
Kev
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jonnyjohnson
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Posted: Sat Sep 6th, 2008 06:15 pm |
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How do number plates effect the saftey of any vehicle?
My vehicle is 3 years old, and I have 2 dipped headlamps and main beam did not work am I correct in thinking that this is just an advisory note?
Under my wheel trims I only have 2 wheel nuts securing the road wheel (instead of 4), is this acceptable?
Last edited on Sat Sep 6th, 2008 06:16 pm by jonnyjohnson
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KevG
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Posted: Sat Sep 6th, 2008 05:26 pm |
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Hi Newbie,
Welcome to the forum.
1. Its crept in since inception of the test.
2. You dont need any lights at all to get an MOT.
3.As David says in the answer below, Pass and advise.
Kev
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David
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Posted: Sat Sep 6th, 2008 04:48 pm |
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jonnyjohnson wrote: Greetings from newbie!
Can I pose several questions for debate?
When did the MOT test no longer become a safety examination?
Does a vehicle still only require dipped headlamps?
If I present my car with no passenger seat fitted does it require a seat belt?
Greetings;
The mot test has always been a road safety examination, understood to be the minimum standards to be applied, many people have differing views as to what they believe the minimum standards should be, so by example, some will say that some parts of the test are more important than others, brakes not working would be considered more serious than say, brakes with low overall efficiency on the rollers by some. Headlamps aiming too low by some testers would not be considered a road safety issue, but they probably don't think about driving on undivided roads without street lamps, so a vehicle travelling at you in the opposite direction would likely be very close to you before you properly see it, a possible serious situation to be in?
Where did you get the information that vehicles only required dipped headlamps?
Very old vehicles are not required to have headlamps if used before January 1931, but may have one or more dipped beam headlamps as optional, I don't know of any other newer vehicles which are not required to have both dipped and mean beam on every day modern vehicles?
No seat fitted at time of test would be a written pass and advise, unless it was the driving seat?
David
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jonnyjohnson
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Posted: Sat Sep 6th, 2008 02:57 pm |
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Greetings from newbie!
Can I pose several questions for debate?
When did the MOT test no longer become a safety examination?
Does a vehicle still only require dipped headlamps?
If I present my car with no passenger seat fitted does it require a seat belt?
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