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David
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Posted: Mon Jul 21st, 2008 06:49 pm |
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I agree and this is probably why sometimes we have disagreement over how bad some items really have to be before failer is given. Some parts of the test are more readily failed than others, so a ball joint would literally be hanging off before failer, then a position lamp bulb not so serious would fail.
Which one really is the more serious road safety to measure?
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Posted: Mon Jul 21st, 2008 08:41 am |
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| to me it pretty much says that a car can be not much better than scrap & still pass.
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David
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Posted: Sun Jul 20th, 2008 08:07 pm |
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It doesn't say alot about correct iinterpretation of standards tho?
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Posted: Sun Jul 20th, 2008 11:39 am |
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Wesley wrote: At latest refresher course, Instructor said, on a scale of 1 to 10.
If 10 is New and 1 is Scrap, Where are Your service limits?
That is the same reference that was used on my 3 day training course , it was explained to us that on this scale the service standard was about 7 & the mot standard was somewhere between 2 & 3 .
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Wesley
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Posted: Sun Jul 20th, 2008 12:09 am |
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At latest refresher course, Instructor said, on a scale of 1 to 10.
If 10 is New and 1 is Scrap, Where are Your service limits?
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Johnboy
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Posted: Sat Jul 19th, 2008 11:04 pm |
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Strange also that the presenter did not bring it back for a retest?
he also did not return for retest?
Hmm, strange that.
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David
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Posted: Sat Jul 19th, 2008 07:51 pm |
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What was interesting to me about this car and presenter was that he knew there was a problem with the track rod, and he knew that the characters on the number plates were incorrect for this country?
When he asked was the car ok I advised there was two problems, when I mentioned the track rod he immediately said that it had just been tracked, and when I advised about his plates and showed him the requirements from the VOSA chart and manual updates, he said the plates(GB) approved were indeed for another country, strange I thought?
The manual reference (2.2B.1f) outer track rods is interesting how the manual refers to free play present, it used to say relevant play, when I ask the them VI about the correct interpretation, the SVE said that it meant "any play" in the ball pin.
Now the manual says "excessive play", so I suppose that a tester must now use his/her own judgment and decide on an individual basis what is deemed to be excessive?
I felt that when I saw the steering arm moving to and fro under load and the ball pin had no effect on moving the wheel hub, and the other side was moving it ok, this to me was deemed excessive, and although not the right part of the test, but when jacked with wheels hanging free, the free play present when the wheel was shook I felt justified too much free play to advise, after all we talking about road safety here, do we want customers having an accident because a track rod seperated from the wheel hub assembly?
Strange also that the presenter did not bring it back for a retest?
Another strange occurance was another vehicle just after it also was presented with an outer track rod ball pin in my opinion excessively worn, also his offside rear brake caliper was leaking, he also did not return for retest?
David
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Wesley
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Posted: Sat Jul 19th, 2008 12:19 am |
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No VSI specific, and no specified vehicle mentioned? How much Free Play?
Obviously in "The Service Department"
The Customer has "Knowingly Wasted" Hard Earned Cash on having His Vehicle, "Aligned". How Did "They" Sucessfully Manage To Do This, With Variable Readings?
If (6.3.4a) refers to letters and spacings, Then We may be able to answer You.
Ah! There We Go. "Lets Refer to Manual"
Laters, Wes.
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Posted: Wed Jul 16th, 2008 07:04 pm |
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Had a customer present car for mot test other day, two faults seen on car;
offside front outer track rod ball pin worn (2.2.B.1f) let's say for easy reference 05mm plus free play.
Number plates characters spacing "ABC 70 NKF" (6.3.4a) as example of fitted plates see here.
What decisions would you make?
Customer said that the tracking had just been checked and corrected, he knew about the track rod end, another person rang the garage while he was present asking how i assessed the ball joint and the number plates, he must have advised the customer accordingly
David
Last edited on Wed Jul 16th, 2008 07:06 pm by David
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