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KevG
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Posted: Fri Sep 5th, 2008 09:06 pm |
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Thanks Stealth, where can I get a parapet?
Kev
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martins
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Posted: Fri Sep 5th, 2008 03:04 pm |
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| Thanks for that Stealth - and I think we can consider this one 'nailed'
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Stealth
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Posted: Fri Sep 5th, 2008 02:48 pm |
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Ok - here we go - lets try and clarify things here...
The law requires that vehicles are subject to a periodic inspection for the purpose of obtaining an MOT certificate.
The maximum interval between inspections is anually, however any vehicle can be presented for test at any time in between the maximum period.
(There's abolutely nothing stopping anyone from taking a vehicle for test every 3 months if they wish)
Any current MOT certificate is still valid until the date of expiry.
A roadside prohibition takes precedence over the current certificate, indicating that, at the time of inspection, the vehicle did not meet the minimum standards as laid down in the relevant legislation (MOT Manual) and the vehicle owner/driver is given a specified period of time to correct the defects.
The terms & condition of the prohibition may put the vehicle off the road immediately, or may allow a period of time where the vehicle may still be used, dependent on the severity of the defect.
An examiner may specify clearance by way of a full MOT inspection where he/she cannot be sure that other defects do or do not exist. He/she may also elect to clear the prohibition during the inspection (for instance by permitting changing a defective tyre for a good spare) where he/she is satisfied that there are no other apparent defects.
The examiners discretion in deciding the level of inspection required is absolute in this case.
Use of the vehicle outside the terms & conditions of the prohibition may result in prosecution, until such imes as the prohibition is cleared by way of a statutory inspection (MOT test)
Where a vehicle is presented for MOT in order to clear a prohibition, and a VT20 is issued, both the new VT20 and any existing VT20 are both fully legal until the date of expiry, one does not cancel the other - both documents would stand as valid in a court of law.
Where a vehicle is presented for MOT in order to clear a prohibition, and a VT30 is issued, this is, in effect, a refusal to clear the original prohibition. The prohibition remains in place, and takes precedence over any current VT20 until the vehicle meets the minimum standards.
In the case of a VOSA appeal, where a VT20 has been issued, but further defects are found, the original VT20 cannot be withdrawn. However, the examiner may issue a prohibition, requiring a further MOT to ensure that the defects have been rectified.
In the case of an inverted appeal, where the vehicle was issued with a VT30, and a VOSA examination - in this case it must be a full MOT test, finds that no defects existed, or any defects did not warrant a failure, a VT20 is issued.
Hope that clarifies things .... I'll duck back down below the parapet now 
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Wesley
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Posted: Thu Sep 4th, 2008 07:24 pm |
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RFR wrote: Hi Wes,
help me out on this one, I'm struggling with the early bit, vt30 bit, what are you trying to ask me? 
rfr
Hi, I`m just trying to explain how I see it.
if you register a vehicle for test, lets say for example six months after last VT20 was issued, then a warning notice appears on the Computerisation screen.
"Warning this vehicle is too early to receive credit on expiry date and will be lost"
So if you continue to carry out the test and issue a VT30, surely that is the new definitive date recorded on computerisation.
Wes.
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Posted: Thu Sep 4th, 2008 06:12 pm |
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RFR wrote: Here's bursting your bubble David
If VOSA / Police issue a pg9 (P. Notice), then vehicle does require a full MOT to lift the prohibition, it has nothing to do with the VT20 which is still alive and kicking. One does not cancel the other out, the cert is, as previously stated still in force until expirary.
Look at it this way, tester issues a dodgy VT20, no one can cancel it, although tester may be stopped from issuing any more, VOSA cannot cancel it, all they can do is find it, examine it, and if any issues are evident, then issue a PG9, this stops vehicle being driven on the road "legally"until a new test is completed and a VT20 issued. The new VT20 lifts the PG9 and the old cert is still alive until it expires along with the new one.
Bubble burst
RFR
I don't disagree with anything you have said, its just different people explain things differently, but at the end of the day whether the old VT20 is considered to be in force or not, as you said the vehicle requires a new VT20 to lift the PG9, so if the vehicle was stopped on the road with the old VT20, in a court of law, the driver would still be prosecuted, and I am sure the defendant would not be able to rely on the fact the old VT20 is in force.
Thanks
David
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RFR
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Posted: Wed Sep 3rd, 2008 11:31 pm |
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Hi Wes,
help me out on this one, I'm struggling with the early bit, vt30 bit, what are you trying to ask me?
rfr
Last edited on Wed Sep 3rd, 2008 11:39 pm by RFR
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Wesley
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Posted: Wed Sep 3rd, 2008 10:56 pm |
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RFR wrote: Here's bursting your bubble David
If VOSA / Police issue a pg9 (P. Notice), then vehicle does require a full MOT to lift the prohibition, it has nothing to do with the VT20 which is still alive and kicking. One does not cancel the other out, the cert is, as previously stated still in force until expirary.
Look at it this way, tester issues a dodgy VT20, no one can cancel it, although tester may be stopped from issuing any more, VOSA cannot cancel it, all they can do is find it, examine it, and if any issues are evident, then issue a PG9, this stops vehicle being driven on the road "legally"until a new test is completed and a VT20 issued. The new VT20 lifts the PG9 and the old cert is still alive until it expires along with the new one.
Bubble burst
RFR
Vehicle is presented Too Early to receive credit?
So the resulting VT30 issued when vehicle presenter has Had to have an MOT to clear the PG9, The VT30 has already made it Void?
Work is then carried out to minimum required standards, and A New VT20 issued?
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RFR
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Posted: Wed Sep 3rd, 2008 09:23 pm |
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Here's bursting your bubble David
If VOSA / Police issue a pg9 (P. Notice), then vehicle does require a full MOT to lift the prohibition, it has nothing to do with the VT20 which is still alive and kicking. One does not cancel the other out, the cert is, as previously stated still in force until expirary.
Look at it this way, tester issues a dodgy VT20, no one can cancel it, although tester may be stopped from issuing any more, VOSA cannot cancel it, all they can do is find it, examine it, and if any issues are evident, then issue a PG9, this stops vehicle being driven on the road "legally"until a new test is completed and a VT20 issued. The new VT20 lifts the PG9 and the old cert is still alive until it expires along with the new one.
Bubble burst
RFR
Last edited on Wed Sep 3rd, 2008 09:27 pm by RFR
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David
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Posted: Tue Sep 2nd, 2008 11:22 pm |
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Wesley wrote: David wrote: Rebel wrote: Wesley wrote: so what about a vehicle that has had an inverted appeal inspection? and a VT30 issued by VOSA?
Once a VT20 is issued it cannot be revoked (even by VOSA), and it will be legally valid until expiry date.
Weather a car is roadworthy or not makes no difference to the validity of a VT20
Sorry can't agree, if VOSA do an inspection on the side of the road and find defects which justify issuing a prohibition notice, the vehicle will need to be taken through a full mot test to remove the prohibition notice, therefore the mot test certificate will be void.
Sorry to burst the bubble,
David
Thats exactly how I understood it is now.
If a vehicle is presented "Too Early" for Credit, Then any Credit over the normal One Month less one Day, Is "Lost"
The latest Roadside "Defect Notices" Don`t even have to be Full on Prohibition Notices, because They can be cleared at Local Plod Establishments.
If "Dunk" has had a VT30 issued more recently, and has rectified All defects recorded, Then hurry up and get Your free retest before the 10 days, expire,
Wes.
Free retest before the expiry of time?
Should any station really be working for free?
David
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Wesley
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Posted: Tue Sep 2nd, 2008 11:07 pm |
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David wrote: Rebel wrote: Wesley wrote: so what about a vehicle that has had an inverted appeal inspection? and a VT30 issued by VOSA?
Once a VT20 is issued it cannot be revoked (even by VOSA), and it will be legally valid until expiry date.
Weather a car is roadworthy or not makes no difference to the validity of a VT20
Sorry can't agree, if VOSA do an inspection on the side of the road and find defects which justify issuing a prohibition notice, the vehicle will need to be taken through a full mot test to remove the prohibition notice, therefore the mot test certificate will be void.
Sorry to burst the bubble,
David
Thats exactly how I understood it is now.
If a vehicle is presented "Too Early" for Credit, Then any Credit over the normal One Month less one Day, Is "Lost"
The latest Roadside "Defect Notices" Don`t even have to be Full on Prohibition Notices, because They can be cleared at Local Plod Establishments.
If "Dunk" has had a VT30 issued more recently, and has rectified All defects recorded, Then hurry up and get Your free retest before the 10 days, expire,
Wes.
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David
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Posted: Tue Sep 2nd, 2008 09:58 pm |
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Rebel wrote: Wesley wrote: so what about a vehicle that has had an inverted appeal inspection? and a VT30 issued by VOSA?
Once a VT20 is issued it cannot be revoked (even by VOSA), and it will be legally valid until expiry date.
Weather a car is roadworthy or not makes no difference to the validity of a VT20
Sorry can't agree, if VOSA do an inspection on the side of the road and find defects which justify issuing a prohibition notice, the vehicle will need to be taken through a full mot test to remove the prohibition notice, therefore the mot test certificate will be void.
Sorry to burst the bubble
David
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Rebel
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Posted: Tue Sep 2nd, 2008 12:52 pm |
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Wesley wrote: so what about a vehicle that has had an inverted appeal inspection? and a VT30 issued by VOSA?
Once a VT20 is issued it cannot be revoked (even by VOSA), and it will be legally valid until expiry date.
Weather a car is roadworthy or not makes no difference to the validity of a VT20
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Wesley
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Posted: Mon Sep 1st, 2008 11:49 pm |
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| If a random roadside check requires vehicle to have a full inspection, and VT30 issued? Last edited on Mon Sep 1st, 2008 11:50 pm by Wesley
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Wesley
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Posted: Mon Sep 1st, 2008 11:47 pm |
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RFR wrote: Because it is, fail is now on vehicles test history, but cert/test is still valid until it expires. So no worries.
when new test is carried out, Warning this Vehicle is too early to receive credit?
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Wesley
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Posted: Mon Sep 1st, 2008 10:58 pm |
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| so what about a vehicle that has had an inverted appeal inspection? and a VT30 issued by VOSA? Last edited on Mon Sep 1st, 2008 11:01 pm by Wesley
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martins
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Posted: Mon Sep 1st, 2008 10:58 am |
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| That is correct - the original pass is still valid, but you have been informed officially that there are safety related problems, so be very careful.
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RFR
Member
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Posted: Mon Sep 1st, 2008 12:22 am |
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| Because it is, fail is now on vehicles test history, but cert/test is still valid until it expires. So no worries.
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Wesley
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Posted: Mon Sep 1st, 2008 12:01 am |
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Johnboy wrote: Yes
How come?
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Johnboy
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Posted: Sun Aug 31st, 2008 11:45 pm |
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| Yes
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Dunk
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Posted: Sun Aug 31st, 2008 11:37 pm |
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Hello there,
I recently bought a motorbike, but the previous owner miss placed the mot cert, so I took it for a MOT at a local garage and it failed on some things.
Rear tyre, exhaust not fixed tight enough, front fork damping poor.
I've sorted the forks by replacing the oil with fresh stuff at correct amount, replacing tyre on tuesday, and tightend the exhaust.
Then I find out it has a valid MOT till the end of the year, is this still valid now I've fixed these problems?
Thanks in advance
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