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motmac
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Posted: Fri Nov 10th, 2006 06:58 pm |
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ive got another 3 years yet,but i'm sure i'll manage....
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KevG
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Posted: Fri Nov 10th, 2006 06:47 pm |
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Who's got a refresher coming up?
Kev
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castrolrob
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Posted: Sun Oct 29th, 2006 06:21 pm |
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thanks.my first reply that credits me with a grip on reality.(pub allowing!)
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motmac
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Posted: Thu Oct 26th, 2006 12:16 am |
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final thought,10/15 year old pikey transits should be banned under the geneva convention-theres a section on cruel and unusual punishment that i think covers it!
.......my thoughts exactly! you obviously live in the real world!....top post!
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castrolrob
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Posted: Wed Oct 25th, 2006 11:07 pm |
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i didnt say id not learned anything,just that i dont learn much on refreshers,last couple have consisted of myself teaching them+receiving unsatisfactory or vague answers to many concerns/queries that i raise.my working environment is similar to motmacs(4+7 all ages) and the experiences gained in such an environment should be more widely available to some of the less experienced testers out there.current refresher training doesnt even come close to improving standards,the primary concern seems to be more focussed on explaining regs/special notices that youve already aknowledged reading via vts device.a final thought,10/15 year old pikey transits should be banned under the geneva convention-theres a section on cruel and unusual punishment that i think covers it!
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motmac
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Posted: Tue Oct 24th, 2006 10:08 pm |
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i think i have to agree with castrolrob to a certain extent with reguards to refreshers.
with computerisation there is no real excuse to not be aware of all the latest regulations,perhaps a better refresher course would be to spend 2 days in a busy mot station that tests all makes and models, and all types of vehicle up to class 7 of all ages,as i do every day.
we test alot of old stuff, such as 15 year old ford transit's for example, and each tester has to deal with the customer directly with no receptionist to deliver the good or bad news.i think vans are harder to test because they have always had more abuse than a family car and higher mileage.the customer is usually a self employed builder or a gypsy with an agressive manor, and so you have to always make the fairest decision possible whilst maintaining proper procedure......pass and advise gets used alot at our place where as fail may be the case at others.we dont do repairs so we have no hidden agenda.
all that hassle for crap wages!!...
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KevG
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Posted: Tue Oct 24th, 2006 06:28 pm |
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Thats a bit harsh is'nt it Castrolrob?
As you said in another post you didnt know much about computers until the system went live. So its a great way for nts to become familiar with the system.
I think refreshers are good , but the people attending must have a positive attitude to get anything from them.
I've been in the trade for 25 years and I've not stopped learning yet.
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castrolrob
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Posted: Mon Oct 16th, 2006 09:33 pm |
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have been testing for nigh on 20 yrs so have done a few refreshers!cannot say that any 1 of them was less than a complete waste of time.being lectured by folks whose last experiences were along the lines of anglias and suchlike didnt help,particularily 4 the younger guys on the courses.today(and not for the first time)am breaking in a new guy who has tested 4 2 yrs at a main agent,poor guy hasnt got a clue what cud b wrong with most cars.not his fault,if all youve ever seen is 3-4 yr old cars then you are not going to be aware of any long term problems/faults.corrosion/detection/assessment in particular is a problem with guys with this sort of narrow experience.again i must emphasise that its not their fault,you can only test what comes in the door,but why is such little emphasis given to improving standards/awareness/ability on these refreshers?could it be that the only people with the experience to do so are us?(and we wont work for civil servant wages!)anyone attending a refresher who isnt already aware of current regs/requirements shouldnt be testing in any case.devote the time to improving standards/experience instead of drinking coffee!
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Martin K
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Posted: Fri Oct 13th, 2006 08:09 pm |
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Hi Kev,
The first day was spent in the classroom, going through the three manuals & Special Notices that have been released in the last 5 years.
The second day the instructor showed us how VOSA want every tester to test each vehicle (just like the initial training course). He missed 6 items on purpose and we had to tell him what they were at the end.
(It was quite funny that he was talking about the new retest procedure that VOSA are planning for the future, but he hadn't been kept upto date that it came into force the week before.  )
Martin
Last edited on Fri Oct 13th, 2006 08:10 pm by Martin K
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KevG
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Posted: Thu Oct 12th, 2006 07:46 pm |
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Hi Martin.
What was the extra time used for?
Kev
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Martin K
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Posted: Mon Sep 11th, 2006 06:39 pm |
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I'm due to attend a refresher course next week as I have been testing for 10 years.
The last refresher course was held over 1 day, whereas this one will be 2 days. Has anyone else attended one since computerisation, as I assume this is the reason for the extra day?
I was worrying about nothing as it was the same as last time I attended- now I've got a new certificate to hang on the wall
Last edited on Sun Sep 24th, 2006 11:55 pm by Martin K
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