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Wesley
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Posted: Thu Mar 27th, 2008 09:42 pm |
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LOL
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911mot
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Posted: Thu Mar 27th, 2008 12:10 am |
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| you said window lickers but I think you meant barking permits
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Wesley
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Posted: Wed Mar 26th, 2008 11:21 pm |
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No,
sorry its not an official sticker/dangler, the only things allowed are disabled window lickers or official parking permits.
I can go down Motorworld or Halfords, and buy a smelly dangler. lol
Wes.
Last edited on Wed Mar 26th, 2008 11:33 pm by Wesley
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scottyboy
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Posted: Wed Mar 26th, 2008 11:15 pm |
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big..E. wrote: "smoking" in any workplace vehicle is an offence..and" hanging air fresheners" fail an mot...come on stop dressing it up..ITS A FAIL..its not "AN OFFICIAL"....STICKER...its not stuck.it "hangs"............................
ok it may not be a "sticker" but is it not official?
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big..E.
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Posted: Wed Mar 26th, 2008 10:57 pm |
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| "smoking" in any workplace vehicle is an offence..and" hanging air fresheners" fail an mot...come on stop dressing it up..ITS A FAIL..its not "AN OFFICIAL"....STICKER...its not stuck.it "hangs"............................
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big..E.
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Posted: Wed Mar 26th, 2008 10:57 pm |
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Last edited on Wed Mar 26th, 2008 11:00 pm by big..E.
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scottyboy
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Posted: Wed Mar 26th, 2008 10:54 pm |
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Thanks for the replies guys Some very interesting stuff there. i feel my biggest problem is my age. im 22 and aint been testing long and now have points on my liscense. i dont want a bad reputation at such a young age. i hear some of you say it doesnt really matter but to me it does. i was deffo "awarded" 20 points and the A.E was given 20 aswell.
it's times like this i feel like giving my card back and saying "f**k you, get some other mug to do it". i now feel their gonna be watching me all the time.
The thing im most annoyed with, is the way they checked the car over.
1. it took me 55mins to test that car. Them? 2hrs & 13mins
2. They did the biggest "No No" in the testing guide. lock to lock check with the handbrake off. And before you ask YES! it DID roll off the turn plates!
3. The customer had been shopping that day and had some tesco shopping bags in the boot. The vehicle examiner decided to have a snoop through his personal stuff... until the customer saw im through the window and told him not too.
their was lots of other stuff they tested incorrectly. Im not really bothered about the points now. But annoyed as if it was the other way around. They would be in deep s**t!
oh well, if this is how petty vosa are going to be, il have to take up a new career. Get out now whilst im still young me thinks!!!
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volksjim
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Posted: Wed Mar 26th, 2008 09:54 pm |
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at long last somebody that feels the same as myselfexcept can use big words
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Tom James
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Posted: Wed Mar 26th, 2008 10:55 am |
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Two things:
1. There is no such thing as a letter awarding 20 points - although the letter may indicate that the issue would have resulted in 20 points if there were other things wrong that would have ultimately topped the 30 point 'trigger' level. The problem is that when VOSA send out such letters they are put together in a very 'official' way and can give the impression that 20 points do apply.
However those '20 points' count for nothing and effectively 'die' straight away as officially points can only count if they amount to 30 or more. The only thing that remains is VOSA's belief that this Test was not conducted properly - so if the Tester makes a similar mistake in the future, then problems could follow.
2. The second issue is whether or not the 'no smoking' sign could be described as an 'official sticker' which regarding "…'road enforcement', 'security' or 'crime prevention'…". Surely the last of these applies as smoking in the taxi would be an offence?
The guy should write to the area manager and complain that it was an 'official sticker', and see what happens - it's always worth challenging what they say!
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Either way it is an example of VOSA's officious and petty approach to what should never really have resulted in any 'official' response at all - jobsworths!
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volksjim
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Posted: Fri Mar 21st, 2008 09:16 pm |
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| the problem here is the points stay with you for a fair amount of time sadly you could be an excellent tester that might make the one simple mistake and your are judged and sentenced and recorded on that one error... sad! i have been testing for 20 odd years and had a great rapore with our old local ve for all those years..by all means he was no fool and he knew who to pay particular attention to..then we get a new bloke who treats everybody with equal contempt and everytime you get a visit he comes across as if he is out to get you!! end of day vosa lose's out... respect is earned and not given..sadly thats whats happened with the police force getting rid of the old school coppers and bringing in bean counters and jobsworths vosa appears to be going down the same path..no wonder there is a shortage of NT's we have had loads of lads who have turned down NT positions because "it aint worth the grief!!" yours etc.etc...
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Posted: Thu Mar 20th, 2008 07:32 pm |
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volksjim wrote: daft what happened to the "old school" that would give you a rollicking and that was that 20 points fecking jobsworth
Ok - scotty & volksjim, I'll play devils advocate here .....
20 points equates to a rollicking, as does anything under 29 points.
The threshold for formal warnings starts at 30 points, which if proven, would result in a 2 or 5 year warning depending on the case.
The only time the 20 points would be taken into consideration is if you do something bad enough to potentially lose your licence. In that case you would be awarded 'credit points' for proven satisfactory testing.
If the VE's re- testing had found no faults, then this would be the case.
For example, if you passed a car, but missed a number of defects, resulting in say 150 points, and VOSA considered the case warranted potential suspension, then any previous VOSA checks within the last 5 years, (mystery shoppers, appeals, and re-inspection following test) where no defects were found, or - in the case of failure, the tester had correctly identified all defects, these would be taken into consideration.
Each satisfactory check would result in credit points being allocated, reducing the initial score. If the credit points were sufficient to bring your points down below the threshold for withdrawal, you would still receive a written warning, but be given credit for the fact that your standards had been correct at previous checks.
The other side of the coin is where the similar case arises, but the tester has had previous 'rollickings' with points values 29 or less. VOSA's case would be that previous standards had been below expectations (in this case a 20 point 'advisory warning' for a testable item missed, but which did not compromise road safety) and would be more inclined to suspend your testers licence.
It might not appear to you to be the best system, but - human nature being as it is, what one VE might consider worthy of a 'rollicking' another might consider worthy of stopping you testing.
The points system at least levels the playing field a bit, and can work for you as well as aginst you if you cock up !
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volksjim
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Posted: Thu Mar 20th, 2008 06:50 pm |
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nicknak wrote: You can get 20 points every day for a year who cares??dont make any difference.
howzat
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nicknak
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Posted: Thu Mar 20th, 2008 06:17 pm |
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You can get 20 points every day for a year who cares??dont make any difference.
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volksjim
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Posted: Tue Mar 18th, 2008 10:21 pm |
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| daft what happened to the "old school" that would give you a rollicking and that was that 20 points fecking jobsworth
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Wesley
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Posted: Tue Mar 18th, 2008 10:17 pm |
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| SN6 2007
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big..E.
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Posted: Tue Mar 18th, 2008 10:51 am |
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| Even if it is an official sticker for a taxi it still fails an MOT test..
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scottyboy
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Posted: Mon Mar 17th, 2008 11:25 pm |
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hi, i recently had a suprise visit by vosa not so long ago and they checked a car over that i had tested and passed. however they picked me up on an air freshner that was hanging off the interior mirror. give me a bollocking and told me to remove it.
week later ive had a letter from vosa saying that i passed a vehicle that should have failed, gave me 20 points and say that they would like to re-examing me.
Now then. the vehicle i was testing was a private hire vehicle. "taxi" and the air freshner was a symbol of a no smoking sign. is this not an official sticker? as it's against the law to smoke in a taxi.
i didnt query this at the time as nothing was said about it. in fact we laughed and joked about it. but now i have 20 points which in my view seem un fair. can i appeal against this? your thoughts on this subject will be much appriciated.
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