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Wesley
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Posted: Sun Apr 6th, 2008 11:01 pm |
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Hi Jim,
The presenter has to make an Official complaint, He needs an Appeal Form to do this, which he has to fill out and send or take to area office with an Appeal Fee which is the current £50.35. Also bigE will confirm Appeal Inspections are not normally carried out at the original testing station.
Last edited on Sun Apr 6th, 2008 11:02 pm by Wesley
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volksjim
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Posted: Sun Apr 6th, 2008 06:30 pm |
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too true mate big..E. wrote: CYA: "COVER YOUR ASS" ? No-one else will...
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big..E.
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Posted: Sun Apr 6th, 2008 05:12 pm |
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| CYA: "COVER YOUR ASS" ? No-one else will...
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volksjim
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Posted: Sun Apr 6th, 2008 04:16 pm |
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surely i must be covered under some HSE law where i think something is dangerous ie. sharp rusty edges i am in a danger of cutting myself wide open and contracting tetnus i should avoid that situation by refusal to test or does HSE law not apply in mot testing??also the amount of fibrefill thet mysteriosly disappeard from around rear axle mount.. i can't help but notice the severe lack of advice on here by present and retired VE's....one wonders???? wesley what is a CYA and also the presenter as far as i am aware never paid a fee to VOSA as the VE came in with the vehicle the follwing day to inspect it to see if i was correct in my judgement to abandon to test.." even after seeking advice from helpline in swansea".he talked about me getting 80 points and a ban..but it was not up to him rather his boss whom he would send a report to no doubt carefully worded..as peeps can undertsand like the majority of testers i am on a poor wage a family man so where can i fund a consultant to protect what is my livelyhood dont think my boss would go to that expense its cheaper to post a few adverts in the local press "mot tester required" yet again a tester is "piggy in the middle"
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castrolrob
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Posted: Sun Apr 6th, 2008 02:04 pm |
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similar history/experience at my vts,i have to say the way the scheme is policed/enforced these days is ludicrous,does anyone else out there remember the old red tickets?dangerous condition-please stop wasting my time!years back some of the ves had relevant experience and could make a balanced judgement.unfortunately civil service rationalisation/cutbacks tended to begin with practical personnell rather than bean counters.lcurrently most of them read from a script that says x=y=z.not always the case out here in the real world.health and safety work similar specs.i have been in accidents that -as they say-could have been avoided but only by not getting out of bed that day!the mot test is(or was)about safety.it has now changed to an assessement of the legal loopholes that punters/lawyers/testers can find to cover themselves.why?
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volksjim
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Posted: Fri Apr 4th, 2008 10:56 pm |
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really peeved off peeps..when i started with this company it was in a real sorry state doing about 3 mot's a day..through hard graft.. charm!!..and giving the presenters a firm but fair attitude everthing short off jumping through burning hoops it is the busiest vts in this city i take pride in that i have always done everything 100% as laid down by vosa..we charge the full fee for class five and seven..but discount four to 43 quid that cuts a fair amount of older cars out yet we are always booked 10 days in advance ..i have always kept my nose squeeky clean.then all of a sudden i am cast as a crook and made to feel like a criminal by my local newish VE..if the AE wants to get a Experienced Consultantcy Agency then he can go to the expense..i can put my head on my pillow at night without a worry if i make a boo boo hands up fair game to be honest if this is the way the testing scheme is now regulated they can keep it..the last thing any NT wants to do is second guess and dither on any decision and worry about the big bad VOSA guy that might pop in and take your livleyhood away because of a genuine error from you ..because of some chancer... the sole purpose of the testing scheme was road safety not playing politics."classic example" number plates"???.boy do i talk some drivel lol as said before maybe been doing this too long and seeng the way it 's now going time to bail out and get a less stressful job..lion tamer lol watch this space will wait for the letter to arrive from vosa and take it from there
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Wesley
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Posted: Fri Apr 4th, 2008 10:53 pm |
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Had a 205diesel 5door in Today,
during pre test inspection/walk around, unable to open drivers door from both inside and out, also both rear doors, the back seats were folded down and the whole rear of the vehicle was Full of crap.
Tact and Diplomacy tested to the limit, service reception passed it over to us, second opinion from our QC, agreed, Refusal to test, service reception manager appears and after explanation He agrees,
AE then appears, presenter is a very good customer, after explanation by us, refusal to test, AE, who booked it in then explained it`s in for a Pre mot fully aware of issues slight lack of communication! but problem solved. lol.
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911mot
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Posted: Fri Apr 4th, 2008 06:37 pm |
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When cars like that turn up out of the blue for a test we say "Sure mate we can test that, lets just check the diary... hmmm, 3 weeks next Friday be OK sir?" 
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nicknak
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Posted: Fri Apr 4th, 2008 01:44 pm |
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Forgett it you are never going to get grilled over that, just laugh at him, probably been a VE about 5 mins
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Wesley
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Posted: Thu Apr 3rd, 2008 11:52 pm |
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Don`t give up, bro,
If You Produced a VT30, then You have Definitely CYA, Get Expert Help from an Experienced Consultantcy Agency.
Like I said, If "Joe" has even breathed on it prior to the VE Appeal Inspection, Then You Have No Problem.
I`m Quite surprised that "The Appeal Inspection" Was carried out at The Same VTS? Normally it is carried out at another VTS and You are Invited To Attend?
You first posted this on 03/04/2008, so I guess ur not Two Days Late? lol,
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volksjim
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Posted: Thu Apr 3rd, 2008 11:32 pm |
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| presenter asked for a vt30 had to log car on then produce a vt30 refusal to test due to car in my opinion being in a dangerous condition which i verified through national helpline to make sure what i was doing was all "above board"what angers me is it looks like the VE is taking the presenters side even after all the verbal abuse that was flung at me" that there is feck all wrong with my motor,i know people i will have your job"i wouldn't accept anybody threatning me and giving verbal abuse outside the work.seems like i have to accept it doing what we all know can be a pig of a job..anyhoo after 20 years of being a" good tester"looks like that does not count anymore..think it's time to pass all the grief onto a younger generation
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Wesley
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Posted: Thu Apr 3rd, 2008 11:23 pm |
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Yeah me too, Luckily,
Had one with a Transit Van 3500kg, twin wheeler claiming it to be a "Camper" lol,
VOSA Description says, "vehicle permanently kitted out with cooker fridge etc, etc", and then, "Not Able to carry Any Goods in transit",lol,
It was Full of Builders Crap, with a wash basin fitted? lol,
Last edited on Thu Apr 3rd, 2008 11:25 pm by Wesley
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kev1975
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Posted: Thu Apr 3rd, 2008 11:13 pm |
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| very true , i haven't really had problems from an unreasonable type yet .
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Wesley
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Posted: Thu Apr 3rd, 2008 11:05 pm |
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kev1975 wrote: some of the heaps of scrap i have to test i just get on & test them all , gives me a laugh if nowt else
had a mondeo in with no sill on it recently , just tested it & failed it , that was that .
bloke got the repairs done & brought it back for retest .
yeah thats fine when Joe is a reasonable chap,lol
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Wesley
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Posted: Thu Apr 3rd, 2008 11:00 pm |
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steady on bro,
If Jim Logged on, and produced a VT30 refusal to test rfr`s, He is able to charge,
If Jim Logged on, and noted "Presenter not willing to pay Up Front", Then this is a Legitimate Refusal to test, But To CYA, You Must, Log It "On The System" and produce a VT30.
If Jim produced a VT30, and "Joe Presenter" Appealed against the Refusal to test, VT30, then "Joe" would have to Pay for an Appeal,
On the Appeal form, It Would State to "Joe" That, No repairs or any modifications should be carried out prior to the Appeal Inspection by the VE.
If Joe Has as much as even changed a bulb, then He Has, Technically Made Changes to the Vehicle Prior to the VE carrying out the Appeal Inspection.
So, If Jim Did produce a VT30, and Joe removed fiber or filler or removed any sharp edges prior to the VE Appeal Test, Then "Jim" most certainly has CYA.
Jim, MOT consultants, eamonnloney3@aol.com 01225 340858 one of many. Good Luck, Best Regards, Wes.
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kev1975
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Posted: Thu Apr 3rd, 2008 10:27 pm |
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some of the heaps of scrap i have to test i just get on & test them all , gives me a laugh if nowt else
had a mondeo in with no sill on it recently , just tested it & failed it , that was that .
bloke got the repairs done & brought it back for retest .
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big..E.
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Posted: Thu Apr 3rd, 2008 10:17 pm |
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Test it,fail it,enter your findings on vts device(even pass & advise).Then when it goes to appeal your findings are then your evidence of what you saw on the day.It's no good telling the presenter of your findings, if you have no backup vosa won,t back you."TEST IT, FAIL OR PASS IT LOG EVERY THING ..(cover yur ass)..By the way if you "refused to test" then you charged "no fee"..Seems like a lot of aggro for nothing!!.
I had a pug 306D in yesterday,I could smell diesel (so it was obviously leaking somewhere) but on pre inspection check i could'nt detect exactly where the leak was,I could have refused to test but decided to carry on..Test resulted in an obvious "fail"(other items also found).But because I tested it properly the presenter paid the fee (£40.00) and is coming back tomorrow for a full "stripdown inspection"to see exactly where the leak is from...happy as larry... Last edited on Thu Apr 3rd, 2008 10:32 pm by big..E.
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Wesley
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Posted: Thu Apr 3rd, 2008 09:30 pm |
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| So did presenter appeal to get this vehicle tested by the VE then?
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Posted: Thu Apr 3rd, 2008 08:22 pm |
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| what is the outs and ins?? had a car in that had been put together" not very well "with bodyfiller on sills and chassis where rear axle mounts up..up shot is presenter went ballistic and phoned in vosa...i phoned helpline number at time of refusel to test and explained to vosa over the phone about the condition of the car and i think it is dangerous where bodyfiller is and also sharp edges protruding from sills they said vosa cant force you to carry out test if NT thinks it is dangerous...well up shot VE brought car in and said he would test it..even though i explained all this and a lot of the fibre filler had been removed looks like 80 points and a ban for me...time to replace mot sign with a great big fekin target. refused to test on sect.H testing vehicle might cause damage to any person or vehicle or equipment as verified with swansea..so does their advice not count then why have a helpline
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