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castrolrob
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Posted: Mon Sep 1st, 2008 07:32 pm |
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just because we are paranoid dont mean the bas..rds ARENT out to get us!
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KevG
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Posted: Thu Aug 28th, 2008 11:28 pm |
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Are they still saying I'mParanoid? I bet they are.
Kev
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Wesley
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Posted: Thu Aug 14th, 2008 11:46 pm |
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KevG wrote: RFR wrote: Thanks nicknak,
paranoia is a terrible thing, and there is a lot of it out there. As long as we do as we should then no problems .
RFR
Paranoia, Whos been saying I'm paranoid
Yeah, you definitely there bro!
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KevG
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Posted: Thu Aug 7th, 2008 06:13 pm |
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RFR wrote: Thanks nicknak,
paranoia is a terrible thing, and there is a lot of it out there. As long as we do as we should then no problems.
RFR
Paranoia, Whos been saying I'm paranoid
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Wesley
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Posted: Sat Jul 19th, 2008 12:39 am |
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RFR wrote: Thanks nicknak,
paranoia is a terrible thing, and there is a lot of it out there. As long as we do as we should then no problems.
RFR
Had been expecting visit for months, done nothing wrong, and passed with flying colours, Our AE was popping a stress and not us.
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RFR
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Posted: Fri Jul 18th, 2008 07:04 pm |
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Thanks nicknak,
paranoia is a terrible thing, and there is a lot of it out there. As long as we do as we should then no problems.
RFR
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nicknak
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Posted: Fri Jul 18th, 2008 06:29 pm |
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We should boldly carry on as we do, and not get bogged down in theories of doing too many tests and the little green men will turn up and role us over. I am not interested in average times, as VOSA will say, "it takes as long as it takes" so I do loads of tests one day and not so many the next due to the vehicle, size, type, age, etc. If I prs which generates another test "so what". If the green man calls, then just by looking at the tests carried out, what would the problem be "nothing".
If every test that is done takes the average, be it an old tranny or a 54 focus then someone may say well how could you do the tranny in that time, likewise the focus could have been done in 40mins and as long as you can do it all in that time then no probs.
Totally agree no problem. paranoia is a terrible thing
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RFR
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Posted: Thu Jul 17th, 2008 10:06 pm |
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Wesley wrote: Kev1975,
Yeah all PRS tests to "Help" VOSA Statistics, and to Oppose 422 Proposals,
Are indeed logged as Two Initial Tests, thus causing "Alarm Bells" to ring, If You carry out 8 tests per day and subsequently PRS Four for minor items, Then, "The System" As it Is at present Will log "Your Day`s total" as 12.
At a recent "Refresher" I Questioned this and,"The VOSA Trainer" Didn`t Have an answer!
Where Do "We" go from here?
Wes.
We should boldly carry on as we do, and not get bogged down in theories of doing too many tests and the little green men will turn up and role us over. I am not interested in average times, as VOSA will say, "it takes as long as it takes" so I do loads of tests one day and not so many the next due to the vehicle, size, type, age, etc. If I prs which generates another test "so what". If the green man calls, then just by looking at the tests carried out, what would the problem be "nothing".
If every test that is done takes the average, be it an old tranny or a 54 focus then someone may say well how could you do the tranny in that time, likewise the focus could have been done in 40mins and as long as you can do it all in that time then no probs.
So do what you do, as long as it can be physically done, I do, and I have not seen any little green men on this score. "Yet"
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volksjim
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Posted: Thu Jul 17th, 2008 12:01 am |
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thank you very much saabowner...i'm still keeping the management on their toes dealing with complaints about why hasn't the mot's been done...hate being an a**ole but as you rightly state safety is paramount funny feeling i will be looking elsewhere shortly for employmentpity as at long last i have a decent rise in wages plus plenty of false promises
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Wesley
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Posted: Thu Jul 17th, 2008 12:00 am |
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Kev1975,
Yeah all PRS tests to "Help" VOSA Statistics, and to Oppose 422 Proposals,
Are indeed logged as Two Initial Tests, thus causing "Alarm Bells" to ring, If You carry out 8 tests per day and subsequently PRS Four for minor items, Then, "The System" As it Is at present Will log "Your Day`s total" as 12.
At a recent "Refresher" I Questioned this and,"The VOSA Trainer" Didn`t Have an answer!
Where Do "We" go from here?
Wes.
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saabowner
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Posted: Wed Jul 16th, 2008 10:47 pm |
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Hi Volksjim,
Firstly I'd like to say its good to see someone who is interested in MOT testing and obviously feels passionate about the subject, rather than the "get the licence of job security" route.
I hear what you say about Management .. been one myself for one of the biggest garage chains in the country and know what you are saying is correct. I'll do my best to give help as I see it ..
You are quite within your rights to only allow 1 hour slots for MOT tests and actually from a Management perspective THEY would be in the wrong to try to force otherwise on the grounds of "putting a tester under undue pressure" which you could bring forward as a formal grievance to your local VE, if it continued.
If you work for a "multi branch franchise" you could also try making a formal grievance to your Regional Manager on the same grounds which could result in your "Line Manager" being disciplined for such practices.
I personally know of a tester who was put under this kind of pressure which resulted in a 500 point penalty against the site and the tester basically was on "borrowed time" for something that he followed orders from his then Manager, rather than VOSA guidelines.
He was a good lad, and his only crime was "trying to be accomodating" which ultimately cost him his job, whilst the Manager who gave him the instruction didnt even get a slapped wrist and still works for the company.
I would just like to say that I personally dont agree with such practices and think it's better to do a fair and complete test, than possibly see people dead because of the greed of "the figures" which is where a lot of the pressure comes from.
Stick to your guns and COMPLAIN if anyone puts you under any duress at all. Its the only way you are going to get respect I'm afraid.
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volksjim
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Posted: Mon Jul 7th, 2008 10:48 pm |
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squeek..squeek..i have only got myself to blame for amount.but cutting right back management are jumping up and down..but hey ho i still get paid he same
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David
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Posted: Mon Jul 7th, 2008 08:57 pm |
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Hi Volksjim
You wrote;
it's not us that book the mot's in..its a case of do it or look for another job..not easy with a family to feed.even harder when we cock up...as for ve...well he brings the testing scheme into disrepute with his attitude..what happens when you complain..read most of my posts on hereany one for a game of" piggy in the middle"thanx for the advice though
David thinks
If the management are overbooking your site and expecting you to get through high volumes of vehicles, then they (management) will continue to do so until you pace yourself to the correct number of tests per day, now this does not mean you can only do one an hour every hour, by example most vehicles I test require an hour, my last months average time per test was 53 minutes, but some vehicles which are newer models can take around 35 minutes, so all i do is pace myself based on the number and conditions of vehicles per day, surely you must be able to look at vehicles booked in and from the registrations and models, know when they are going to take longer to do?
The other side of the coin is simple, if management book tests in, when you book them in, look how many are already booked in that day, and then book them in another day, that is what i do, your not a mouse on a wheel, so don't let management treat you like one
Our station was trying to get me to do fast retests, ie just check say stop lamps that failed, but nothing else, (previously established not bulbs at fault), then I would not be given any paperwork ie VT30 VT32 so when I asked for it, the management said customer did not bring it back, use the VT40 management said, so i said no problem, after spending time finding it, getting vehicle in, doing retest and completing paperwork, management soon realised it took longer, and it didn't take long before original documents started appearing for the retests.
Now although some of you will be worried about loosing your jobs, look at it from another point, if you do fast testing all day everyday, and are making mistakes, when caught, management have a employment lever against you, if you are doing what is expected of you (VOSA) guidelines, and you have been employed longer than 12 months, you have employment rights, so what are you worried about, the employer would require professional reason to dismiss you from employment, which you give them if you are caught short on standards.
David
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kev1975
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Posted: Mon Jul 7th, 2008 07:52 pm |
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the most tests i ever do in a day is 9 , 1 each hour from 8 until 5 .
on my most recent report it said i averaged 10 a day , is this the prs that is causing incorrect numbers as i don't really want to be singled out for something i haven't done ?
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volksjim
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Posted: Mon Jul 7th, 2008 07:28 pm |
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David wrote: Hi Removalizer
I think it is easy for the VE's to single out any tester now with computerisation, they just look how many tests per day a tester does, in so many hours against the average 55 minutes per test, if a tester say is consistently getting through a high volume of tests per day per week, like say 16 a day, your nicked?
Didn't this happen to Daz who was getting through loads of tests then missed loads of test items on an incognito?
David
it's not us that book the mot's in..its a case of do it or look for another job..not easy with a family to feed.even harder when we cock up...as for ve...well he brings the testing scheme into disrepute with his attitude..what happens when you complain..read most of my posts on hereany one for a game of" piggy in the middle"thanx for the advice though
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Posted: Sun Jul 6th, 2008 09:13 pm |
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Hi Removalizer
I think it is easy for the VE's to single out any tester now with computerisation, they just look how many tests per day a tester does, in so many hours against the average 55 minutes per test, if a tester say is consistently getting through a high volume of tests per day per week, like say 16 a day, your nicked?
Didn't this happen to Daz who was getting through loads of tests then missed loads of test items on an incognito?
David
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removalizer
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Posted: Sun Jul 6th, 2008 07:55 pm |
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This is the first time I have seen a comment by a VE on this site which begs me to ask some questions:
1. Why don't VE's normally comment on this site ?
2. Are VE's banned by VOSA to make comments
3. How many VE's read the comments on here
I would welcome our new ex VE to this site if only to give us an insight into the Dark side of VOSA such as how they plot to catch out us testers when its witch hunt time.
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David
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Posted: Sun Jul 6th, 2008 04:34 pm |
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Thanks for that advise Macboydog
But we all do a good job anyway, the roads are a safer place because we make them that way, not VOSA. Now we all have a job to do, but some people in VOSA go all out to play god with testers because they "VE's" have maybe better training than testers "one" day every five years?
I personnally don't think anybody in VOSA is any different than any tester out here. It seems you must have just retired, or moved on or just lost your job to come out with your recent statements?
Now i have over 25 years in service and am a graduate + educated man, I make mistakes like the next man, but i don't go out with venim like some VE's, who I am lead to believe truth or not, are nothing more than ex bus drivers, or ex mot testers themselves, who have completed a BTEC National and now play GOD?
A part of a VE's job was to council and advise testers, not go out and punish them. My last VE has been changed because of his attitude towards me, why would VOSA spend all this time, money and effort setting up a National computerisation system to ensure consistency between testers, then my local VE tell me he does not agree with me because I don't leave him room for council and advise?
It appears to me that VOSA don't want testers to do the job right, but would rather them do it wrong so they can justify their jobs?
David
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Macboydog
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Posted: Sun Jul 6th, 2008 02:22 pm |
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Having spent years and years as a VE and now finally out of the rat race. I read with dismay that Testers are still getting disciplined unfairly.
OK some deserve a kicking for not doing what they were trained to do.
So listen. I shall say this only once........
When challenged by your friendly VE on a disciplinary matter. KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT.
Listen but defer any reply until you have discussed the matter with someone with experience of officialdom.
Read your Testers Guide.. No not the manual... It's the book that details the number of points you can get for missing testable items etc.
VOSA employees are not GODS, but some still think they are. These types can be discipline as well, by using the complaints procedure.
Be nice to your VE, It's a bloody awful job these days. They get a kicking from the VOSA managers, because those in charge never visit the coalface for fear of looking stupid.
You have been told............... Good luck.
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