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Posted: Wed Jun 20th, 2007 08:35 am |
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| Yes I did thanks. Had to prise open the speedo, go to a sign writer who cut white letters out and did a really tidy job. Then got a pink highlighting pen and coloured in the digits. Closed up speedo and took it back. Fkin 30secs later I had me MOT cert. No response from Harley dealer I asked about this issue, nor from Head Office in Belfast. Heading off for a months touring next Friday so it will have to wait for now until I can stir it up a bit more. The issue is at the moment that all Harleys here like mine are being deemed illegal by the test centre. Don't have any feedback about other regional test centers as to whether it is a provincewide thing or just confined to the one test centre. Last edited on Wed Jun 20th, 2007 08:35 am by gart
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KevG
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Posted: Tue Jun 19th, 2007 07:07 pm |
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hi Gart.
Did you get sorted in the end?
Kev
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Posted: Wed May 30th, 2007 11:23 am |
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Thanks for your good luck wishes. It's crazy. I think your suggestion is probably correct and I would gat away with that, but I still would have to have the dam thing changed just to get a slip of paper every year. Speedo is neither checked for operation nor accuracy, so what is the point in having it dual marked. Regulations eh?. Who'd 'ave 'em. I will update if I ever get anywhere. Have started with Harley UK and asked for the regs from the test centre so's I can at least see them in black and white.
TTFN and thanks for all the replies.
Last edited on Wed May 30th, 2007 11:25 am by gart
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Rebel
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Posted: Wed May 30th, 2007 09:05 am |
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Hi Gart,
Your mot system appears to be very different to ours, and it seems rediculously restrictive.
The route you are now proposing to take is really not within our range of expertise so you are going to have to seek help elsewhere i'm afraid.
Well done for making a stand, and I wish you luck.
One observation though -
You state in your original post ;
"the tester maintains that any vehicle made after 1984 must have a dual marked speedometer attached"
Does the speedo actually get checked for operation?
If it only has to have a dual marked speedo attached then maybe just temporarily cable tie an additional suitable one on for the test!
DC
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Posted: Wed May 30th, 2007 08:09 am |
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| Got a local sign company to put stickers on the fascia of the speedo then went to check if it was OK before I re assembled it. Guy says, "They have to be a different colour and visible at night." Piss is being taken big time here, so I have decided to see if I can make a stand about this somehow, but I need a starting point. Going back to the centre is not an option as I already did call Head Office in Belfast about this. Where should I start, Harley, Mag, BMF, my local solicitor?. I know I need to get as copy of the regulation they are quoting me to start and that is underway at the moment as I have orderd a copy from TSO onlnine.
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Posted: Mon May 21st, 2007 10:49 am |
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Thanks for that. Technically we are part of the UK but we appear to have different regs here for the MOT as opposed to the UK mainland. The regulation mentioned below does state any vehicle NI Construction and Use 1999 that they are quoting at me.
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MOTman
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Posted: Sun May 20th, 2007 09:09 pm |
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Class 2 means motorcycles. Class 3 - three wheelers. Class 4 -cars. The regs you quote refers specifically to cars (Class 4).
Where did the bike previously get tested and passed? Just a thought to take it back there!
You need to find a copy of the Irish Testers Manual, although I still doubt that this is an MoT requirement at all. In England this isn't part of the test, as the speedo plays no part in safety.
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Posted: Fri May 18th, 2007 04:41 pm |
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Sorry Kev but dealers don't do MOT tests here. There are purpose built test centres for all the major cities here, which are Government run agencies.
http://www.dvtani.gov.uk/vehicletesting/home.asp
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Posted: Fri May 18th, 2007 04:39 pm |
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| I think the guy was tryin to save me a further re test fee. He told me to sort it out then bring bike back. Whats the class 2 difference you speak of?
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Posted: Fri May 18th, 2007 03:29 pm |
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Hi ,
Go back to the dealer ASAP. ask where the failure sheet is, your 'bike is a class 2, If no joy ask to speak to the local rep of whatever the MOT body in NI is called (VOSA)?
You should have been given a fail sheet(VT30) so theyve already cocked up!
Kev
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Posted: Fri May 18th, 2007 01:51 pm |
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| It's comin at you too I reckon with all this EU harmonisation s***t Last edited on Fri May 18th, 2007 08:05 pm by
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Posted: Fri May 18th, 2007 01:50 pm |
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Yes I have explained that several times. The regulation 40 stands. Looks like I'm stuck lookin for a poxy sticker for the moment.
Here's an extract from Parlimentary Records
MOT Vehicle Tests
Mark Durkan: To ask the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland what criteria are used in Northern Ireland for MOT vehicle tests; and whether there is a requirement for speedometers to include kilometres per hour as well as miles per hour. [24849]
Angela E. Smith: The criteria used in Northern Ireland for MOT vehicle tests are contained in the Motor Vehicle Testing Regulations (Northern Ireland) 2003 which specify the class of vehicles subject to testing and the related test items. Schedule 2 of these regulations cites the speedometer as a testable item for Class IV vehicles (motor cars). Regulation 40 of the Motor Vehicles (Construction and Use) Regulations (Northern Ireland) 1999 provides for a motor vehicle to be fitted with a speedometer which indicates speed both in miles per hour and kilometres per hour, either simultaneously or, if required, separately.
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Posted: Fri May 18th, 2007 01:22 pm |
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I can't comment on your testing system in Ireland, but in the UK mainland I don't think that the MOT test ever requires that the vehicle is modified from standard as manufactured.
Perhaps put that to them?
DC
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Posted: Fri May 18th, 2007 09:49 am |
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Kev.
After a 30min conversation with the DVTA in Belfast I am no further on really. They say they are testing vehicles to the Motor Vehicle Construction and Use Regulations NI 1999 Reg 40. These regs are different from the mainland apparently. I am trying to get a copy of this at the moment to satisfy myself the interpretation is correct. They say that there must be a dual marked speedo on the vehicle and it is not up to them to recommend any particular technique to achieve this. I pointed out that it is impossible for me to buy a replacement part from the manufacturer but we kept coming back to the same thing. There must be KPH marked on the fascia of the speedo below the needle. My speedo is not screwed together but rather there is a formed metal ring which holds the speedo together and I would have to prise this open to obtain access to this fascia. Looks like I'm stuck with the modification. What would you suggest?. Harley don't make a part to suit as far as I am aware.
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Posted: Fri May 18th, 2007 09:19 am |
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Thanks for that prompt response. Does it make any difference because it's N Ireland. I did ring a dealer who told me the same thing as you have just said. I don't have a fail cert but just an advisory sheet mentioning "other defects" " Speedometer-not dual marked (MPH KPH)
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KevG
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Posted: Thu May 17th, 2007 08:12 pm |
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Hi Gart.
Dual marked speedo is not required, in fact for the MOT test the speedo isnt even part of the test, this goes for cars too. Ask the tester to show you in the testing manual the "Reason for Rejection" (Its not in! ).
I would be interested to know what the red fail sheet you were given says on it.
The bike may need a dual marked speedo for construction and use regs, but this is not a construction and use test, its an MOT,
If no joy ask for an appeal form, this should prompt some action.
Kev
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Posted: Thu May 17th, 2007 05:40 pm |
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Can anyone clarify the following for me.
I live in N Ireland, Craigavon.
I own a 1990 Heritage Soft ail Harley and it has just been refused an MOT certificate by my local testing station because the tester maintains that any vehicle made after 1984 must have a dual marked speedometer attached. I have been in contact with Harley and a replacement speedo for this model physically does not exist. Pre 1994 Harleys either had MPH or KPH speedos fitted. Not dual ones. I would like to know the following:-
How do I get around this, as the bike has passed every MOT from 1996 up to last year?
Where can I examine the legislation or rule that states this? Would I find it in the test centre, the DVTA website?
Any help would be appreciated.
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