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JP
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Posted: Mon Mar 10th, 2008 02:54 pm |
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Thanks for all those who showed an interest on this subject. Especially big...E 
Ok. I passed my re-test on Saturday getting the chap who made me fail in the first place putting the required stickers on to the lights himself. It took me some lip biting not to tell him where to put them really?!?
The hilarious thing was that the mechanic who was going to check the light first said he can not see anything wrong with the beam and only after I said to him make sure you better know what you doing and consulting his boss they managed to put those stickers on, presumably at the correct place. 
Good to know that this garage knows what the law requires. They will certainly not see me again after charging me £ 15 pounds for the re-test and all those fuzz in where I still believe an advisory note would have done the job.
To confirm Stealths answer. The correct test is with someone sitting on the bike and using the same light tester as used for class 4. The beam must be inside the marking. Any beam above the line is apparently too high aimed and can obstruct oncoming traffic... and therefore requires attention.
JP
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big..E.
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Posted: Thu Mar 6th, 2008 11:32 pm |
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| "Oh thankyou god" at last a reply.."CHEERS STEALTH"..
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Posted: Thu Mar 6th, 2008 11:27 pm |
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KevG wrote: JP.
Aim has always been tested. There are no new regs.
Sounds like they were being lazy before.
The fox eye type lights are tricky if not impossible to tape up.
you may need a new dipped beam headlamp.
Kev
Sounds like he's had a kick up the bum from VOSA, maybe he got caught not checking the aim properly.
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Posted: Thu Mar 6th, 2008 11:17 pm |
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big..E. wrote:
By the way still waiting for a responce on the beam test,is it same procedure for class four and is there a specific height (are all lamps the same height or do they differ ?)...
Beam test is the same for bikes as it is for class four. The aim should be checked on a beam tester or screen with the rider (or assistant) seated on the machine.
Here's the link to the manual
http://www.motuk.co.uk/mcmanual_160.htm
I had a tester check the aim of one of my bikes while it was on the centre stand, meaning that the back wheel was about 2 inches off the ground, so the aim was well below the mark. If he'd adjusted it at that point I'd have been dazzling airline pilots in mid flight !!
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big..E.
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Posted: Thu Mar 6th, 2008 10:47 pm |
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A WEAK MOMENT CAUSED BY INSTANT TEMPORARY BLINDNESS??...OR INCORRECT JUDGEMENT ON HOW FAST THE LIGHT MOVES??...TAKES TWO TO TANGO...JP!!!..
"OR WAS THAT TWO TO TANGLE"....LOL.....
By the way still waiting for a responce on the beam test,is it same procedure for class four and is there a specific height (are all lamps the same height or do they differ ?)...
Last edited on Thu Mar 6th, 2008 10:53 pm by big..E.
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JP
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Posted: Tue Mar 4th, 2008 01:52 pm |
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the fact of the matter is that being visible to others can be life-saving especially being on a 2-wheeler. The amount on near collisions I had during my 30years biker experience is uncountable.
A case study of how many accidents involving bikes vs. cars would be interesting.
But I think we drifting away from the actual subject that was about bike headlight testing. I rather have the beam in someones face so he can see me rather then being not seen at all. No offend to all those drivers that take care and are responsible as those are still the majority.
But it takes only one weak moment or one slightly wrong judgment that can be fatal.
JP
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Posted: Mon Mar 3rd, 2008 11:37 pm |
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| Refresher training for numpties every five years......presume ya talkin about "DRIVERS" and not other" Professional" people here WES...... Last edited on Mon Mar 3rd, 2008 11:48 pm by big..E.
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Wesley
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Posted: Mon Mar 3rd, 2008 11:14 pm |
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Don`t blame the Bikers, I am a 4 wheel vehicle person myself.
The number of Disrespecful Car Drivers out there who drive on urban roadside lit and countryside roads during the hours of darkness, and Don`t Dip their Headlamps until the very last second Is Unbelievable!
An Awful lot of them don`t do anything until You White them out! Reversing on to a Main Road? Giving way on Hills? I always understood that "Those" coming down, Should Give Way to "Those" comimg up!
Maybe "Refresher Training" For Numpties Should be Mandatory Every Five Years?
Wes.
ps; Their Headlamp Aim requirement Should be same as ours. lol. Wes.
Last edited on Mon Mar 3rd, 2008 11:18 pm by Wesley
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Posted: Mon Mar 3rd, 2008 11:01 pm |
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| KEV no offence but ..lol.. means laughing out loud i was joking about the "DAZZLE" I KNOW WHY THEY DO IT....but can YOU answer my question ???..Or can anyone else..I would like to know.. Last edited on Mon Mar 3rd, 2008 11:11 pm by big..E.
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Posted: Mon Mar 3rd, 2008 10:38 pm |
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it could be because a lot of bikers use main beam through the day , who can blame them , car drivers quite often do not see motorbikes .
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Posted: Mon Mar 3rd, 2008 08:51 pm |
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| Can anyone testing bikes tell me the requirements for testing bike headlights?? As a car driver bike lights seem to be in ya face when approaching you,or directly in your rearview when being attacked from the rear!!on my basic calculations about 100 yards from the beam setter at a height of roughly 4ft should be ok....seems to me that who cares about the test as long as the car driver knows you're there.. ( as far as the biker is concerned)......lol... no offence to bike testers intended but i would seriously like to know.. Last edited on Mon Mar 3rd, 2008 08:55 pm by big..E.
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JP
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Posted: Sun Mar 2nd, 2008 06:34 pm |
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Kev, thanks for the info. I will try my luck and see how it goes. Will let you know next Saturday.
Cheers,
JP
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KevG
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Posted: Sun Mar 2nd, 2008 06:15 pm |
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JP.
Aim has always been tested. There are no new regs.
Sounds like they were being lazy before.
The fox eye type lights are tricky if not impossible to tape up.
you may need a new dipped beam headlamp.
Kev
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JP
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Posted: Sun Mar 2nd, 2008 04:59 pm |
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Thanks Kev,
this is what he means. I rather tape the lense than getting new head lights. Not sure how exactly the tape has to be fitted in order to be conform. As I have double fox eye lenses.
I guess only the right lense ( in riding position ) is the one that most concerns.
If there is no new regulation that requires bike headlights to be tested as cars than the MOT station I used to bring my bike in never conducted the correct measurement to check if the lights are adjusted properly. All the years the conventional head light test was used. Parking light on, head lights on, beam on, pass. That was sufficient enough to be conform with the VOSA.
Anyway, I do not want to argue what is right or wrong or what could have been advisable other then failing me through MOT. I just get the tape on and the job is done, hopefully.
Thanks again.
JP
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KevG
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Posted: Sun Mar 2nd, 2008 10:20 am |
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Hi JP
I think the tester may mean that the "Kick" on the headlamp beam is on the right rather than the left.
You need to speak to him to confirm this.
If so Tape on the lense is fine.
This is not a new rule.
Kev
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JP
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Posted: Sun Mar 2nd, 2008 05:40 am |
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Hi,
I failed MOT yesterday due to my Headlamp Aim too far to the right. ( this is the official statement on the VT30 form)
Not only that I was amazed about the failure as the bike is a L-reg '94 and passed its MOT since with out any failure. The bike seems to be a grey import and registered since '96 in this country. The last 12 MOT tests never mentioned that the head lights would have seen as a problem.
By confronting the technician about that fact he just said the regulation had changed last year and I would need to change the head lights to be conform with British Road Safety or put a sticker to the light stopping the beam obstructing oncoming traffic.
Well, the garage did not have any stickers but even with a duct tape this could have been done in 2 minutes without me going through the hassle in booking a re-test and getting charged again.
Now my question. Does a new light testing regulation exist for bikes and once legally grey imported into the U.K are bikes excluded from this new regulation or not especially when importation is more than a decade ago.
A define answer would be highly appreciated. Many thanks, JP
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